Friday, May 7. 2010
Dr Ian Adamson writes:-
Cllr Ian Adamson
I don't know if you are familiar with the latest developments in population genetics/genetic genealogy, but in recent times a researcher by the name of Professor Ken Nordtvedt has identified a haplogroup which he associates with some of the very earliest settlers to the British Isles including Ireland in the post-LGM period. He calls this clade of haplogroup I2a2 [old I1b1], 'I2a2-Isles'. He has managed to divide the clade up into 8 separate subclades; A1, A2, B1,B2, C1, C2, D1, and D2.
This may be of interest to you because I think we may have a possible [I say that cautiously..] link with the Cruthin here. Nordtvedt conjectures that I2a2-Isles, at least the oldest clade [B1] has been in the isles almost 6,000 years and was probably founded on the north German plain. The clades came to our isles before the Iberian-founded R1b haplogroup which accounts for around 80% of Irish men [and roughly 90% in parts of Connaught]. Its distribution suggests possible Cruthin connections - more the west and Ulster than anywhere else. The haplotypes are also found to a lesser extent in England and Scotland.
I was most interested in your comments on the Pretani (a). I use the word Cruthin rather than Cruithin according to the convention of O Rahilly and Byrne (b) and am particularly interested in the Creenies or Cruthin who migrated to South West "Scotland" and would have migrated back again in the Plantation and other periods.
Just a couple of [further] points.. Ptolemy (c AD 135-50) used the term Ivernia as part of the Prettanic Isles but also referred to Ireland as Little Brettania, Albion, of course, being Great Brettania.
And don't forget the Carthaginians ... Gaelic is a complex language with Semitic and Hamitic influences. According to Ayllet Sammes (1676), a scholar from Christ's College, Cambridge, Britannia was originally called Bretanika by the Greeks after the Phoenician word Bratanac, or Barat-anac (Country of Tin), the equivalent of the ancient name Cassiterides.
In Phoenician Ierne, Ivernia or Ireland would merely mean "the Farthest Island". One thing is certain, it is not Celtic in origin.
(a) See What is British?: Part 1, Friday, January 26. 2007
(b) Irish Kings and High Kings, Francis J. Byrne, 1973, 3rd Revised Edition 2001. I've mentioned Byrne's work on several occasions, including -
Sétanta, Friday, January 12. 2007
"Ulster" Part 3, Friday, November 28. 2008
"Ulster" Part 4, Wednesday, December 3. 2008
T. F. O'Rahilly in Early Irish History and Mythology first drew attention in modern times to the Cruithin as a population element in Ireland.
On Cruthin/Cruithin: Irish Gaelic classifies all vowels and consonants into 'slender' and 'broad' categories. In its written form, there is the convention that a slender consonant must have a slender vowel on either side, and likewise for a broad consonant. This accounts for the insertion of a large number of silent vowels in written Irish. The extra 'i' may derive from this. [The convention reminds one of the Hungarian principle of "vowel harmony".]
I'd plan to add some further comments of mine separately.
Dr Adamson's colleague and informant, Dr Tim Owen of Southport, Lancashire, comments;-
I think, as time goes by and the databases start to fill up, we may see more evidence for the I2a2b-Isles-Cruthin link. The clade is very low level, but as Aiden Mulvihill's map shows, there is enough distribution to make the link in Britain/Ireland. Also, more continental members are emerging with Germany predominant.
I imagine that the Cruthin probably carried some other varieties of I haplogroup, and Bradley and McEvoy's study [sponsored by Patrick Guinness] suggested a link between the Maguinness clan and I2b1 [old I1c]. The M22 variety of R1b haplogroup certainly dominates Ireland though. There is a high incidence of I2a2b-Isles in the O'Driscoll clan, which suggests to me that they might have been somehow 'cut off' from the rest of the pre-Gaelic stock as the R1b-predominant Gaels, ultimately of Iberian stock, colonised the island by force.
I wonder if the oldest clade [B1] entered Scotland first [travelling from its north German place of foundation] via Doggerland, going on to parts of Ireland to 'give birth', so to speak to the 'younger' clades? I suspect that we could find a link between I2a2b-Isles and the narrowblade culture of the late Mesolithic, which replaced the broadblade culture, and ultimately to the Cruthin.
Display comments as (Linear | Threaded)
Way cool! Some extremely valid points! I appreciate you writing this write-up and the rest of
the website is extremely good.
#1 http://lavondwhat.vip-blog.Com/vip/article/5945629,a-Fantastic-kitchen-flooring- (Homepage) on 2015-02-28 09:52 (Reply)
It's very effortless to find out any matter on net as compared to textbooks,
as I found this post at this site.
Hello there! I know this is somewhat off topic but I was wondering which blog platform are you using for this website?
I'm getting tired of Wordpress because I've had problems with hackers and I'm looking
at options for another platform. I would be awesome if
you could point me in the direction of a good
Hello would you mind stating which blog platform you're using?
I'm looking to start my own blog soon but I'm having a difficult time choosing between BlogEngine/Wordpress/B2evolution and Drupal.
The reason I ask is because your layout seems different then most blogs
and I'm looking for something completely unique. P.S My apologies for being off-topic but I had
You can even write articles inside of MLSP and create yet another place to create backlinks to your blog or website.
Anyone who has their sights a little higher
can qualify for the 'Exotic car bonus', the same deal applies but we
are talking about getting a real class motor like an Aston or Ferrari.
Basecamp also integrates seamlessly with the other 37Signals products like Highrise, Backpack and Campfire.
I was recommended this website via my cousin. I am no longer sure whether or
not this publish is written via him as nobody else understand such special about
my difficulty. You're incredible! Thank you!
I can't take a chance on an 83 year old falling out of bed and being injured and I am sick of the run around that I have been getting from Mattress Discounters so I
have decided to bite the bullet and just buy another mattress.
This post is really a fastidious one it helps new the web users, who
are wishing in favor of blogging.
What's up, its pleasant article on the topic of media print,
we all be aware of media is a impressive
source of data.
Advanced level course, you get to study joining emergency treatment, fitting utilization of
Automated External Defibrillator (AED) wen heart failure strikes at the victiized individual and considerably more.
In addition to resuscitation, the goal of ACLS is to
begin to identify what is wrong with the patient, so that
a long term treatment plan can be created. Our company prides it self in delivering
the very best quality on-line ACLS, PALS and BLS courses guaranteed by our fulfillment assurance.
Depending on the number of employees you want trained, they may be prepared to come to your office and conduct some
in house training. The longer the expiration, the harder it will
be for you to pass the recertification test.
If we can prevent an emergency from happening in the first
place, we are that much more effective in saving the lives of our
Wow, superb blog layout! How long have you been blogging
for? you made blogging look easy. The overall look of your web
site is fantastic, as well as the content!
I was able to find good advice from your blog articles.
Get the inside scoop on your competitor's websites
- see what distinguishes top performers from fifth-page results.
One group of scammers in the US managed to grab $20 million before they were rumbled and in Britain a property investment firm took at least Aï¿½11 million off people who thought they were investing rather than just being robbed.
Grab a sheet of paper, and jot down your answers to the following
Each one of these transactions may need additional operations to take place.
A durable transaction ensures that immediately after the transaction is finalized, the transaction will
never ever be undone even when the method faces a dysfunction. The traditional course required medical
personnel to attend regular classes held at medical institutes.
I savor, lead to I found exactly what I used to be having a look for.
You've ended my four day long hunt! God Bless you man.
Have a great day. Bye
Superb, what a blog it is! This website provides useful information to us, keep it up.
This is really great for those of us who are trying
to balance family life, work, and school. In order to get the most
out of such training, iit is advvisable to invest iin a
training center that offers the full range of courses you
will need. The online courses will be conducted by the best instructors of American Heart Association and students will be certified with
American Heart Association Heart saver Completion Card after successful completion of the CPR training session.
Hi to all, how is everything, I think every one is getting more from this web site, and your views are good designed for new people.
I used to be recommended this web site by means of my cousin. I am now not sure whether or not
this publish is written by him as no one else know such targeted about my problem.
You're incredible! Thank you!
The great thing about personal mastery is that it helps an individual develop a
healthy communication with their inner self and at the same time reflect
the changes on how they interact with others.
It is not my first time to pay a visit this web
page, i am visiting this website dailly and take fastidious information from here everyday.
I think the admin of this site is in fact working hard in support of his website, since
here every stuff is quality based data.
Hi! I know this is kinda off topic nevertheless I'd figured I'd ask.
Would you be interested in trading links or maybe
guest authoring a blog post or vice-versa?
My blog covers a lot of the same subjects as yours and I believe we could greatly benefit from each other.
If you might be interested feel free to send me an email.
I look forward to hearing from you! Excellent
blog by the way!
El lugar de celebraciÃ³n es el Centro de Profesores
de Pinto, en el Centro Cultural Infanta C., en la C/ La Cadena s/n.
The halftime performance centered more on the rich musical traditions of the host city, but it
was no less impressive in its scope. ' Janelle Monae
brought serious energy to her performance of 'Electric Lady,' the
Outkast-indebted title song off of her most recent album, before the halftime show ended with a spirited rendition of
Earth, Wind and Fire's timeless funk classic 'Shining
Star. Just to be on the safe side, go to an accredited NBA sporting goods store and purchse
directly from them.
Smith himself had a lean ruun with the batt in thee IPL, aand will also have his ownn ppersonal points to make in the World Cup.
Thee low-lying outer areas are now known as the townships and in Cape Town particularly, the Cape Flats.
Now the bold feels addedd technical, and below abojt arduous speed.
While these approaches might be sensible,
it may result in a costly door or window replacement or you may get badly hurt.
Maruti Suzuki, the Brand with Perfection, has topped the chart of Automobile
segment with its bashing Maruti Wagon R. Individuals who run their own businesses, real estate agents for example, are also getting excellent use out of the extra storage space for their day-to-day comings and goings.
Enter the Brasstown Wilderness from here as it follows a
single track pathway here on forward.
Each one of these transactions may need additional operations
to take place. Performed ranghe of clinical functions in a 70-bed neonatal
ICU, assessed patients' developmental stages and conditions, administered medications, maintained patient charts and responded to medical emergencies.
The traditional course required medical personnel to attend regular classes held aat medical institutes.
Hi there to every body, it's my first pay a quick visit of
this web site; this web site includes remarkable and genuinely excellent data
in favor of visitors.
I am actually grateful to the owner of this web site who has
shared this great article at here.
Hey there, You've done a great job. I'll definitely digg it and personally recommend to
my friends. I'm sure they'll be benefited from this web site.
I'm not sure why but this blog is loading extremely slow for me.
Is anyone else having this problem or is it a problem on my
end? I'll check back later and see if the problem still exists.
First off I would like to say fantastic blog!
I had a quick question which I'd like to ask if you
do not mind. I was interested to find out how you center
yourself and clear your thoughts prior to writing.
I have had a tough time clearing my thoughts in getting my thoughts out.
I truly do enjoy writing but it just seems like the first 10 to 15 minutes
tend to be lost simply just trying to figure out how to begin. Any ideas
or tips? Thank you!
Heya! I realize this is kind of off-topic however I had to ask.
Does building a well-established blog like yours take a massive amount work?
I am brand new to running a blog but I do write in my diary everyday.
I'd like to start a blog so I can share my experience and feelings online.
Please let me know if you have any kind of
ideas or tips for brand new aspiring blog
owners. Appreciate it!
We hope you adore it using the WWE Immortals Cheat and recommend us for
a pals by sharing this site.
Yes! Finally something about House Cleaning Camarillo.
Today, I went to the beachfront with my children. I found a sea shell and gave it to my 4 year old daughter and said "You can hear the ocean if you put this to your ear." She
placed the shell to her ear and screamed. There was a hermit crab inside and it pinched
her ear. She never wants to go back! LoL I know this is entirely off topic but I had to tell someone!
In their try to do this 2K have cleverly mixed the success of Clash of the
Clans and MMO development with Chinese tradition and tradition.
I feel that is among the so much important information for me.
And i'm satisfied studying your article. However should statement on few common things,
The website taste is great, the articles is in point
of fact nice : D. Excellent job, cheers
Great post. I was checking constantly this blog and I'm impressed!
Extremely helpful info specifically the last part I care for such information much.
I was seeking this particular information for a very long time.
Thank you and best of luck.
Hello, i think that i saw you visited my weblog thus i came to âreturn the favorâ.I'm trying to find things to
enhance my site!I suppose its ok to use some of your ideas!!
Hello my family member! I wish to say that this article is amazing, nice written and include almost all significant infos.
I'd like to see extra posts like this .
You must get involved in a contest for starters of the best blogs on the internet.
I most certainly will recommend this web site!
Woah this web site is excellent i adore reading through your site content. Carry on the good get the job done! You are aware of, a number of people need game with this info, you can make them tremendously fissurenversiegelung montabaur.
Syndicate This Blog